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Hi Ria:

Here should been written the name of the wife of Hendrik Jans Hoenderson and it isn't.
So he was not married.
So how he can be your ancestor?

As to why Henrick's name was styled the way it is or why his wife wasn't named in the death certificate is a mystery. But to answer your question, the Hendrick Hoenderdos that died in August 1812 was, indeed, my direct ancestor. Evidence?

Please find the following, pulled from the marriage supplemental records for the children of Hendrick Hoenderdos and Trintje Poot (=Mietje Coenen):

Son Jan's marriage supplement papers (1832):

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cat=306302

Son Gerrit's marriage supplement papers (1829):

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cat=306302

Son Coen's marriage supplement papers (1834):

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cat=292558

Son Cors' marriage supplement papers (1838):

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cat=292558

Thanks for asking. Hope this clarifies things.

Yes, it does

I found this

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=2037985

Voogden over Hendrik Hoenderdos heten dus Antoni van Effrink en Hendrik Weber

11-01-1778 Haarlem gedoopt Paulus z.v. Hendrik Webel en Catharina Westwinkel - getuige Jan Hoenderdos en Catharina Wesseling [ te vinden via www]

doop Anna Antonia - Vader Coenraad Scheffers
Moeder Margrieta Louhuijver
Getuige Antonie van Efferik
Getuige Anna Aberson
Gebeurtenis Doop
Datum 12-12-1794
Religie Hervormd
Documenttype
DTB Dopen
Erfgoedinstelling
Stadsarchief Amsterdam

By de way.
Hendrik Henderbos laat zijn kinderen RK dopen

By de way.
Hendrik Henderbos laat zijn kinderen RK dopen

I noticed that as well. Guess we'll never know why the conversion from being Lutheran to RK, but an interesting insight into their religious beliefs.

It appears Catharina Wesseling was last living in 1778, and like her father Jurrien, no burial record has been found. Because of your help, you connected me to the right Wesseling family. From the other Wesseling entries you have found, all I can say right now it appears there was a heavy concentration of Wesselings living in Gehrde. Somehow they were related to one another but I am merely speculating.

Getting back to Jurrien Wesseling, I'd be interested in finding the marriage of his second wife Anna Abbison/Abenson who might have married Antonie van Efferik. As you have already mentioned in a previous post, the couple appeared as witnesses for the baptism of Anna Antonia, daughter of Coenraad Scheffers and Margrieta Louhuijverat on 12 December 1774 in Amsterdam. Finding Anna's second marriage will narrow about the time when and maybe where Jurrien Wesseling died. Just thinking aloud.

P.S. Thanks for finding the guardianship papers on my ancestor, Hendrik Hoenderdos.

5 M: Hendrik Janse HOENDERDOS
Christen Date: 6 Aug 1777
Christen Place: Haarlem, Noord Holland, Netherlands
Witnesses: Hendrik MEYER and Elisabeth PAUST.
Death Date: 11 Aug 1812
Death Place: Spaarndam, Noord Holland, Netherlands
Education: Able to sign own name
Religion: Evangelisch Lutherse



Guardians are from both sides - Hendrik Webel; the side of the mother [Catharina] en Antoni van Efferink from father's side [Jan Hoenderdos]
So I'm not so sure that he married Catharina her stepmother

Jurrien Wesseling died before he become grandfather.

Guardians are from both sides - Hendrik Webel; the side of the mother [Catharina] en Antoni van Efferink from father's side [Jan Hoenderdos]
So I'm not so sure that he married Catharina her stepmother

Don't you mean stepfather, not stepmother?

Post 2:

Jurrien Wesseling died before he become a grandfather.

For now, I am only going to say Jurrien died after 5 November 1763 which is the date of his daughter Femmetje's burial. Going through the burial imposts for Haarlem was quite a job. A lot of burial entries for children, but very odd Jurrien's own burial cannot be found. Same with daughter Catharina.

Steve Barnhoorn schreef: ↑

28 mar 2022, 20:50

Don't you mean stepfather, not stepmother?

I mean, Antoni van Efferink married [problaby not] her stepmother

Steve Barnhoorn schreef: ↑

28 mar 2022, 21:01

Post 2:

Jurrien Wesseling died before he become a grandfather.

For now, I am only going to say Jurrien died after 5 November 1763 which is the date of his daughter Femmetje's burial. Going through the burial imposts for Haarlem was quite a job. A lot of burial entries for children, but very odd Jurrien's own burial cannot be found. Same with daughter Catharina.

Do you know where Jan Honderbos married the second time?

door ria jongman » 28 mar 2022, 16:11

Do you know where Jan Honderbos married the second time?

Jan Honderdos remarried on 4 May 1783 in Haarlem to Elizabeth Roon. Note: Jan is styled as "W" or widower. According to this marriage record, he lived in Schalkwijk which is adjacent to Haarlem.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cat=293741

Without a doubt, I can prove that Jan Hoenderdos was married twice. The following was taken from son Gerrit's marriage supplement papers, which shows his father died on 1 February 1798:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cat=306302

Elizabeth died in 1804:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cat=306302

Therefore, Catharina Wesseling died between 11 January 1778 (appeared as a baptism witness with her husband Jan Hoenderdos, see below quote) and 4 May 1783 (when her husband Jan remarried). Unsure if she died in Haarlem.

ria jongman » 20 mar 2022, 08:19

bericht 3

Aan te bevelen is om tevens te zoeken in de NG dopen

11-01-1778 Haarlem gedoopt Paulus z.v. Hendrik Webel en Catharina Westwinkel - getuige Jan Hoenderdos en Catharina Wesseling

Ned Herv.Kerk - Toegangsnummer:2142 - doop-, trouw- en begraafboeken (DTB) (retroacta van de burgerlijke stand) van Haarlem, Collectie van
Inventarisnummer: 43

Concerning Catharina Wesseling, I was able to turn this document up from 1783 (starts with scan 393):

https://hdl.handle.net/21.12102/BE56901 ... 1BCD05C2F8

It looks like a guardianship action in the event of her death.