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What a small world, Ria. No wonder you know so much about the family.

A few points.

Jan is born after his sister Anneken and the sequence is
half sister? Fenneken Nellis
- Jenneken Nellis
- Egbertjen Nellis
- Anneken Nellis

Don't you mean Jan Nellis who married Maria Jansen was born after half-sister Fenneken (daughter of Nellis Avercamp and vrouw Jennecken Jansz)?

So indeed he died before 18 Juni 1708 (Referring to Jan Nellis, Jr)

Plus, it appears Nellis Avercamp was also deceased by that time.

On the subject of Jan Nellis, were you able to find the parents of Maria Jansen (Jan's wife)? I have a feeling that one might be a tricky puzzle to figure out. It's too bad the Dutch Reformed baptisms didn't include witnesses.

Steve Barnhoorn schreef: ↑

18 apr 2022, 23:52

Don't you mean Jan Nellis who married Maria Jansen was born after half-sister Fenneken (daughter of Nellis Avercamp and vrouw Jennecken Jansz)?

Jan who married Maria Jansen is born 1682/1683.
His father Cornelis Jans married around 8 mrt 1682 with Maria Willems. He has only a daughter Fenneken.
Jenneken en Egbertjen born between 1683/1684 en 1690

Jan who married Maria Jansen is born 1682/1683.

I would add they were married before or by 18 Oct 1709. Unsure about Maria Jansen's parentage.

I don't know the parents of Maria Jansen. No connection to find.
And so many Maria Jans[sen]..

Checklist, at least as far as dates are concerned:

Teunis Berents Bonschate, deceased before 20 January 1754; at Raalte? No burial record was found; registers for that period were presumably lost.

Berent Jansen married by 1 April 1738 (at Raalte?) to Cornelia Jansen, To date, no marriage record was found; again, the register was presumably lost.

Jan Nellis is born 1682/1683, married before or by 18 Oct 1709, to Maria Jansen. Maria Jansen was born about 1685? To date, no baptisms, or marriage records were found (registers are presumably lost).

Nellis Avercamp (married by 8 March 1682; at Raalte?) to Maria Willems. Nelis was born about 1655? Maria was born about 1660? To date, no baptisms, or marriage records were found (registers are presumably lost).

Nellis Avercamp deceased before 18 June 1708. No burial record was found; registers for that period were presumably lost.

Bernardus/Berent Teunis Bonscahte deceased before 7 April 1804 (date based on the marriage record for one of his children). So far, no burial record found.

Unresolved:

Willem Wijten Korterick en Maritien Egberts, named in the 1 November 1684 record, the parents of the children identified in the 28 April 1706 record?

Actum 28 apr 1706:
Verschenen zijn Tonis Willems en Janna Tonis, Nellis Jansen en Maria Willems, Gosen Arens en Jenneken Willems, Arent Jansen en Egbertjen Berents, tesamen eheluiden, zijnde de vrouwen met hun ehemannen geassisteerd, en tenslotte Derk Berents. Welke verklaarden tesamen en ieder in het bijzonder te hebben verkocht, gecedeerd en overgedragen aan Wijte Willems, zijn huisvrouw en hun erfgenamen hun comparantens eigen toebehorend "stucken lands", waaraan Wijte Willems "nochtans het vierde part is toestendig", als namelijk

Parentage of Berent Jansen who married Cornelia Jansen about 1738. (Possibly born about 1708?). So far, no baptism for Berent found.

Locating any contemporaneous record of the name Teunis Berents Bonschate's first wife (possibility it was Fenneken/Fenne?). So far, no confirmation.

Burial record of Joanna Bernardus van't Overkamp (daughter of Baerent Jansen and Cornelia Jansen). Assumed to have possibly died after 7 April 1804 (based on child's marriage record as Joanna is not called "the late").

Those are the loose ends I have compiled.

Het lijkt er toch op dat

Raalte begraven 1781 den 4 Januarij - Berend Overkamp a Ramele f 1 8 -

Berent Teunissen de man van Janna Berents is, want in 1782 zit er namelijk een andere pachter op het erve Overkamp.

Janna Berents heeft trouwens later de toevoeging/achternaam Kruit[s]- zie de huwelijksakten van dochter Gesina en zoon Teunis

Het lijkt er toch op dat

Raalte begraven 1781 den 4 Januarij - Berend Overkamp a Ramele f 1 8 -

Berent Teunissen de man van Janna Berents is, want in 1782 zit er namelijk een andere pachter op het erve Overkamp.

Janna Berents heeft trouwens later de toevoeging/achternaam Kruit[s]- zie de huwelijksakten van dochter Gesina en zoon Teunis

Thanks for clarifying. I'm going to go out on a limb and say the surname of Berent Jansen (father of Janna Berents) might have been Kruit[s]? If the land was passed to another family, that brings up another question:

Burial for 24 October 1782 "De Vrouw van Bondschade Tijenraan."

Could this be for Janna Berents instead of Cornelia Jans?

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cat=252392

Thoughts?

His children married in Deventer, all of them.
Have you look there for a burial
Maybe Janna was living there?

bericht 2

invnr 18 f322 - Raalte, 16 feb 1769 - Verw. Scholtus E. van Ketwich.
Keurnoten B. van den Burg en Berent Vasters.
Verschenen is Hermannus Hiethaar, weduwnaar van Gerrediena Tonissen. Hij wil hertrouwen. Tot mombers over zijn minderjarig kind Aalttien [Aaltien], bij wijlen zijn ehevrouw in echte verwekt, worden benoemd Jan Hiethaar en Berent Overkamp. Zij nemen de momberschap aan.
De comparant belooft aan zijn minderjarig kind 6 gulden en de kist van moeder zaliger. Hij zal haar onderhouden totdat zij in staat is te dienen. Dienende en ziek of zuchtig wordende, heeft zij een vrije ingang in haar ouderlijk huis. Hij zal zijn kind laten leren lezen, schrijven en naaien.

bericht 3

Hoort nog bij.

RK Raalte 6 Junii 1761 - Hermanus Hendriks op de Heethaar et Gerardina Teunisse van de Bonschotte. Testibus Alberto Rijntjes [= Rientjes] et Wilmina Juttert - Linderte.

AANVULLING OM 21.43 U

17 Octobris 1762- Aleijdis F.L. Hermani Henrici an Sagershuis et Gerardae Antonii. Levante Gesina sorore matris - Brinkerhoek.