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Steve Barnhoorn schreef: ↑

18 mar 2022, 22:29

Absolutely positive. I believe I posted her baptism at the beginning of this thread. From reading through this thread, I don't believe the Dirk Wesseling of Beverwijk is my ancestor. My Dirk was protestant, and I think the Dirk of Beverwijk might be Catholic?

No, he's not Catholic, baptist 2 daughters Ned.Herv.Kerk

It's strange that no witness of her family were named. No child Derk no child Bartha named.

But Bartha had a sister Kaajte (sp) which I believe is a pet form for Catharina. Hence, my ancestor could have been named in honor of her aunt.

Catharina was also called Trijntje (which is another pet form of her name). This is the death record for Hendrik Jansz Hoenderdos, my direct ancestor. The record names his parents, folio 3:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cat=293850

And this is the baptism of Hendrik Jansz Hoenderdos https://www.archieven.nl/nl/zoeken?miva ... &milang=nl img no. 25

Haarlem, Lutherse gemeente, 6 Aug 1777

But I couldn't find the marriage registration, 17 Apr 1768. I searched here:
https://www.archieven.nl/nl/zoeken?miva ... &milang=nl img no. 655

Also remarkable, the baptism of Hendrik Hoenderdos and his marriage are in the Lutherse Gemeente in Haarlem, but once they lived in Spaarnwoude, baptizing their children, they were catholic.

I suppose this in one of you direct ancestors ? https://www.archieven.nl/nl/zoeken?miva ... &milang=nl img no. 64
Parochie Heilige Jacobus de Meerdere te Haarlemmerliede, Doopboekjes van de rooms-katholieke statie te Spaarnwoude aan de Liede, 10 aug 1800.

Hi Egbert:

I think I can help with their marriage records:

Marriage impost for Jan Hoenderdos and Catharina Wesseling, dated 1 April 1768, folio 79 verso (scan 471):
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cat=293745

Marriage court record for Jan Hoenderdos and Catharina Wesseling, dated 17 April 1768, folio 196 (scan 587):
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cat=293741

P.S. Yes, the 1800 baptismal entry you found on Jan Hoenderdos is my direct ancestor. He married Catharina Fatels on 6 May 1832 in Haarlemmerliede. Their daughter, Geertruij, was born was on 13 March 1833, also at Haarlemmerliede. In turn, Geertruij married my second great grandfather, Joseph Barnhoorn on 30 May 1858 at Overveen. Joseph and Geertruij had 15 children (most died young). Their eldest son, Jeronimus Gerardus Barnhoorn, was my great-grandfather (born 8 September 1859 at Bloemendaal, died 25 February 1944 at Haarlem). My late father, Bart Joseph Barnhoorn, shared a story about a time when he and his brothers played cards, and Jeronimus lost. Dad said his grandfather didn't like to lose. Incidentally, the Jan Hoenderdos you found, had a younger brother named Bartholomeus (baptized 3 April 1804 at Spaarnwoude; died 1 January 1832 in Haarlem). Bartholomeus was Geertruij's uncle, and on 13 March 1866, Geertruij gave birth to a son, Bartholomeus Josephus Barnhoorn. Bartholomeus's eldest brother, my great-grandfather Jeronimus Gerardus Barnhoorn, had a son, Bartholomeus Josephus Barnhoorn (my grandfather) born on 9 January 1899; died on 31 January 1934 at Haarlem. He married my grandmother Antonia Agatha Maria Haleber on 11 January 1923 at Heemstede. They had four children, my father was the youngest child, Bartholomeus Josephus Anthonius Barnhoorn (born on 29 April 1930 in Haarlem; died on 3 May 1996 in West Henrietta, Monroe County, New York USA. My father emigrated to the USA on February 27, 1957. Lastly, I have a younger brother named Bart. To sum it all up, Bartholomeus (or Bart) runs in the family, and it started with the Hoenderdos family.

Thanks for the links.

The last link contains marriages from the book of court marriages. Het gericht. Not sure if was this necessary way for non-reformed (NG) members or for religious mixed marriages. Most likely a confirmation in church would have followed. Not sure if that would be the Luterse Gemeente, since their is no entry in their church book.

Steve Barnhoorn schreef: ↑

19 mar 2022, 14:23

Their daughter, Geertruij, was born was on 13 March 1833, also at Haarlemmerliede. In turn, Geertruij married my second great grandfather, Joseph Barnhoorn on 30 May 1858 at Overveen.

I found that marriage, so I figured out Jan Hoenderdos (bapt 10-08-1800) would be you ancestor.

The reason for asking is, birth, marriage and death certificates are well organized registered in the Netherlands after 1811, in the so called Burgerlijke Stand.

But before 1811 the situation is a lot complex. Church records are not allways reliable. Most likely they were very adequate at the time, when everybody knew, for example, who John the Miller was.

The pitfall for searching in church records only, is you will find ancestors that fit perectly, but are the wrong connection.

It happened recently to me, that I ran into a site mentioning court archive deed with a testament. Reading that testament, I realised I had the childeren of that family correct, but the names of the parents were different ones. Different persons. Searching the internet I noticed I was not the only one making that mistake. So, it's always good to check and double check your information.

Is it you ancestor Jan Hoenderdos that married Elisabeth van Roon, on 4 mei 1783 in Haarlem? I haven't found the scan yet, so I can't control if this Jan Hoenderdos married as a widower.

I think I posted Jan Hoenderdos's second marriage. Yes, he was listed as a widower (the letter "W"). Catharina Wesseling (Jan's first wife) is my ancestor, not Elisabeth:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cat=293741

Sorry for missing that post, but thanks for the link!
It might be another Jan Hoenderdos, since this one is from Schalkwijk.

Steve Barnhoorn schreef: ↑

19 mar 2022, 15:33

Catharina Wesseling (Jan's first wife) is my ancestor, not Elisabeth:

I noticed, since it says so in the death certificate: https://www.wiewaswie.nl/nl/detail/27827728

Bartha Boumans overleden in 1744 aan de Looijerstraat te Amsterdam, maar ook Catharina Bouwman weduwe van Dirk Overveen ook in de Looijerstraat te Amsterdam in november 1748.
Het huwelijk van Catharina Boumans en Dirk Overveen was op 9-7-1713 Amsterdam, geen getuigen vermeld bij deze registratie.

Bartha Boumans died in 1744 at the Looijerstraat in Amsterdam, but also Catharina Bouwman widow of Dirk Overveen also in the Looijerstraat in Amsterdam in November 1748.
The marriage of Catharina Boumans and Dirk Overveen was on 9-7-1713 Amsterdam, no witnesses listed at this registration.